CrazyMaking: Domestic Abuse Intended To Cause Self-Doubt

Crazymaking throws you off-balance mentally or emotionally making you easier to control. Abusers carry out crazymaking in many ways. For example, s/he may say one thing and then swear they said the opposite or didn’t say it at all and claim that you are crazy, unbalanced, forgetful, out to get them, etc.

If you’re a victim of a crazymaking, you often feel lost, disconnected, unsure of your standing in the relationship and of yourself. You learn to doubt your perceptions because every time you say “The sky is blue” your abuser says, “The sky is green.” Over time, you become brainwashed enough to accept green skies! Crazymaking makes you feel like you are the crazy one.

crazymaking makes you feel like you're the crazy one

Crazymaking Behavior in Abusive Relationships

Both women and men could be abusers or victims, so please do not take my pronoun choices as an implication that one gender abuses and the other is victimized.


Crazymaking occurs when your partner tells you what he wants, but when you do it,

  • he claims that you didn’t do as he asked, or
  • he asks why you wasted you time doing that (the thing he asked you to do), or
  • pretends he didn’t ask you to do anything at all.

These same reactions apply to relationship requests. Maybe he asks you to meet him at the door after work so he feels welcomed home, but when you do, he tells you that you didn’t do it right or pushes you away mumbling “Get off me! What got into you?” And then, of course, he denies asking you to meet him at the door.


Crazymakers have two sets of rules. One set for you, a second set for him, and both sets of rules change on his whim. No matter what you do, there is no guarantee your abuser will react the same way twice.


Crazymaking people disrupt the peace with physical violence or intimidating behavior designed to scare you to the core. You never know for sure when he’ll erupt so anxiety becomes a big issue. Afterwards, his story does not match yours, but he insists his version is the truth so convincingly that you begin to think the events weren’t as bad as you remember.


Crazymakers use your moments of weakness to enact major relationship changes. After they’ve made the decision, they tell you that it was your idea in the first place so you have no reason to be upset. For example, my abuser went to get a vasectomy during the last of a series of miscarriages I experienced. He said that he thought I wanted him to do it so I wouldn’t have to go through the pain of losing more children.

Along those same lines, crazymaking people will make decisions that completely change your life together without your knowledge, and then pretend like they care about your feelings after the fact. My abuser re-joined the military (uprooting us and throwing us back into the military experience) without asking what I thought until after he’d made up his mind.


Crazymakers secretly collect evidence, eavesdrop and spy on you. They interpret your actions in a way that paints you in the worst possible light. You partly believe them because they’ve got the facts right (i.e. you did talk to the produce guy at the grocery store). You question yourself because the abuser is so convinced of your immorality (i.e. if it looked like I was flirting then I’d better stop acting that way).


Crazymakers point to an event in your personal history and tell you, repeatedly, that it has something to do with your current relationship problems with him. If you were raped when you were younger, your crazymaker may insist you hate men (so the problems in the relationship are your fault).

Crazymakers may twist your family’s past behavior into odd versions of the truth. For example, if your parents divorced and your father remarried the next year, your crazymaker says you’re just like your dad and will cheat on him in the end. It doesn’t matter that your father did not cheat on your mom during their marriage, the crazymaker will put the story together in their own way.


Crazymaking people never give you the straight truth. They run their words through a filter that ensures they can say you misunderstood them when you call them on their bullshit. Excuse me, when you call them on their lies.

In the same way, a crazymaker will behave in one way, but insist they feel another. They may act very angry but smile at you sweetly and say they’re not angry. Or, worse in my opinion, they act happy and carefree but glare at you and make you feel two inches tall without knowing why or receiving acknowledgement that they glared at you.


Crazymaking confuses, causes paranoia and makes you doubt your perceptions. Crazy makers do this on purpose because a weakened victim is easier to control.Crazymakers give you plenty of reasons to be upset, stressed out and angry, but tell you that you imagine drama where there is none and have no excuse to feel angry. The crazymaker may say you make mountains of molehills or are a drama queen, for example.


Crazymakers attempt to define who you are, what you’re doing, what you’re feeling, and what you’re thinking without asking you any questions. They assume to know you when the only person they know is their own selfish selves.

When you attempt to explain what you’re really doing, feeling or thinking, crazymaking people say you’re lying.


Crazymakers flip their mood on a whim. One second they’re sweet and kind, the next second they’re in a boiling rage. They blame you for their ugliness and credit themselves for their good behavior. Crazymaking people insist that you make them feel the way they’re feeling (usually when they’re feeling angry, sad, or another unpleasant emotion).


Crazymakers will rape you and then pretend they didn’t. Because of your intimate sexual relationship, you question your perception and think that maybe you misinterpreted the rape.


Crazymakers blame you for every bad thing in your relationship or their life. They rarely if ever take responsibility for their hurtful actions and words, and if they do take responsibility for something it’s because they’re trying to convince you that they love you.

When a crazymaking person is angry or embarrassed, they want you to be ashamed, cowering or somehow accepting the blame for how they feel.


Crazymakers try to warp your reality so you begin to feel insecure and indecisive. Constant labeling, lying, and intimidating behavior work to bully you into submissiveness.

Crazymaking people will pretend they didn’t agree to something they did. They will change the plans without telling you and then pretend the plans didn’t change. They blame you for items they misplace and say you’re out to get them, sabotage them, make them mad, etc.


Crazymakers use your intimate confessions against you, turning you inward on yourself and making you your own worst enemy. Self-doubt robs you of confidence. You may wonder if you are the abuser and the crazymaker is but a victim.


Crazymakers withdraw emotionally and/or physically from you by refusing to talk and offering no explanation for their abrupt shut-down.


Crazymaking people twist your words, dart from topic to topic during arguments, and use your confusion to wear you down during arguments.

Verbal Abuse And Crazymaking

The types of verbal abuse, taken together or even one or two at a time, constitute not only crazymaking, but the basis for every abusive relationship.

But you can stop the cycle. Abusers rely on you being in the dark about what they’re doing to you. So, if you can recognize abuse as it’s happening to you, you cannot be abused. Your feelings could be hurt (or your body could be hurt), but you’re no longer a victim. You’re a survivor.

Remember, recognizing crazymaking, verbal and domestic abuse is one of the most valuable skills you can develop. If you don’t recognize abuse when it happens, you cannot control your reaction to it. Download this worksheet to help you figure out how abuse happens to you.

crazy making and verbal abuse

See more on verbal abuse and how it causes crazymaking at Types of Verbal Abuse.

 

Gaslighting is very similar to crazymaking. Check out my article on HealthyPlace.com called Gaslighters Seek To Destroy Your Sanity.

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Comments

  1. Constance E. Day says:

    Ever so true. Keep up the good work.

    • I live with, unfortunately, my only sister. Have 2 brothers and a father. My sister has the car, condo in her name paid for by my father that we use and live in. It’s been 4 yrs. now of abuse just like you’ve outlined, above. I’ve been stolen from, verbally and physically abused by her and her friends. One male friend said to her (as I overheard) that he had somebody to kill me. Asking her about it, she denied what he said and told me I’m delusional. After coming back from the ER for dehydration, one day, I needed some meds prescribed by the ER and my sister refused to get out of bed to drive to get the prescription filled. I tried to see if a neighbor would help me since I felt real bad and needed the meds, but the neighbor called an ambulance and I went back to another ER. That ER sent me home with 1/3 of my prescription filled and gave me a diagnosis of schizophrenia. When the ambulance came and picked me up my sister came out and lied to the EMTs about what I had been dong that day! Thanks to the ER I went to, she has more ammunition to use against me. It is weird and a nightmare, here and I can’t wait to get away from her. Every time that she’s a little dissatisfied about something, she starts barking orders, yelling, making fun of what she deems stupidity, and threatens to have me kicked out. She is the stupid one…she’s violent, sarcastic, bossy, sassy, does crystal meth, is a slob, is lazy, gets up at 3pm daily unless one of her homeless, low life thief druggie friends come over.She is intimidating, humiliating, ridiculing, and faults others for most everything that happens. She has the support of my father in this stuff most of the time, too. So, any more suggestions for this male and my piece of mind would be appreciated…even though I’m due to move out, soon…and that can’t be soon enough for her since she claims she will get more money for child support if her son moves into this condo for 2 weeks/month. More to mention, but let me know – anyone – of any ideas you may have about my situation.
      Thank you.

  2. Eavesdropping: As I came in half frozen from spending 10 hours at a snow clearing job, I heard my wife say in a very clear voice, “Oh, he (me) is too stupid to know what I am doing to him.” She was on the phone with a life-long friend and her words stopped me in my tracks. I waited a day to cool down, then asked her about it over a Starbucks munchie. She said, “Oh did your hear that? I was only making a conversational joke. She knew I’d heard it – she said it very loud during her conversation that had been conducted in whispers and giggles up to that statement.

    I took many jobs to keep a roof over her head and food on the table while more than once settling for a slice of bread or two day old pizza between travelling from job to job. How is it that she can say I “willfully and with felonious intent set out to establish a pattern of spousal surveillance?”

    My wife has an extremely rare form of cerebral palsy. I run a 20 plow with 10 broken ribs (according to respirologist) and went through 3 bouts of bacterial meningitis, the third survived only with the help of my then pet wolf.

    Who is the abuser? Who is the abused?

    Anyone care to reply?

    • summermoon71 says:

      obviously she is abusing you-sorry for you going through that- no innocent person deserves that crap…no excuses

    • Male abuse by females is far more prevalent than is acknowledged! Us women need to take an honest look at ourselves and how we mentally and emotinally abuse men. Demasculation has become the accepted standard in society and it is wrong!

  3. I bought a football jersey and personalized it with my name and the number of a player I admired. My husband said nobody is going to know ho that person is, and he wouldn’t have done it that way. I said repeatedly I chose it for personal reasons and not because the number was retired, etc. Then when we get home he wants to know how much the jersey costs then it was a random purchase wasn’t it? Wasn’t it? He asked again like a was a kid he was trying to get to agree. I re-explained it wasn’t and that I had thought hard about it. Then he switched to how I would have to explain about it to people and how I was impatient about people “asking me things” I was like, what things? And he couldn’t come up with anything. Then I asked him what was his real concern about the jersey, wasn’t it the cost? Was that it? And he kept saying it was about me. And I told him should be more concerned about his road rage and then he lost it! If this isn’t crazy making, I don’t know what is. I am sick of this shit and I don’t know what to do. We have these kind of arguments all the time and I’m at wits end. He will not go to counseling either.

    • Anonymous says:

      Can I just say Elle, this story you shared really makes me sad… I think that’s a really sweet gift. My Uncle bought me a football jersey with my favourite player’s name and the number was the age I turned on the birthday he gave it to me… ‘Twas awesome! Still have it today. Hope you’re doing well nowadays anyhow.

  4. Anonymous says:

    I think he is crazy n u are not alone but l have a boyfriend and he manipulates me l can’t do nothing right he took me to by a,car with mymoneys down payment and took it back cause l went home n it he wanted it parked n his yard and so he gave me my money back and took da car back n sais l could drive his truck a truck wi th h no heat n no backseat to put da kids in we all n da front but l drove it kept my money nsaid l dont have to worry about a note but see he wasnt even worried about a car he had three already n l.was walking my babies to school so when l said l wanted a car all of a,sudden he said he wanted one too l dont know he makes me doubt myself all the time ?

  5. Anonymous says:

    Why does all literature concerning the subject of abusive relationships remain so one sided? Everything I read is written from the point of view that it is men doing this to women. My ex-wife routinely engaged in this type of behavior and had learned it from her mother. Also, many of my friends are in or have been in the same type of relationship. When a man tries to discuss it, even with counsellors or knowledgeable people, you are automatically thought of as weak and typically invalidated. I am not weak by a long shot. I am a chemist and a scientist and actively try to prove my own opinions wrong- in order to strengthen them or to make sure that I am indeed correct. Just to be clear, I am not trying to invalidate what many women have gone through. What I am trying to do is to get the acknowledgement that this goes both ways.

    • You’re absolutely right, Anon. This subject will remain one-sided until more men report it, talk about it, and bring it to society’s attention. Society already views women as “the weaker sex” so it is easier for us to talk about being abused openly; it is understandable why “the weak” COULD be abused. The position of strength men hold in society makes it harder for their stories to be understood (and believed). I believe you, and I’m sure many women posting to this blog also believe you. It isn’t us women who discriminate against male victims/survivors of intimate partner violence.

    • Yes, a lot of women are abusers too.

      Usually, when the men are the abusers, it can get scarier at times, because they are taller and stronger. Still, being abused by a woman is as painful, unhealthy, damaging,… as when men do it. It might even be more shameful, in some cases, as men are “supposed to be” as per society standards, stronger? Tough in both cases I say.

      • Men who abuse women are more likely to murder them than are women who abuse men. Stronger, testosterone overreaction … whatever it is, men kill women more often than women kill men.

        For abused women, domestic violence is MORE LIKELY to result in death. It isn’t that women never kill the men they abuse, it is simply (extremely) less likely they will do so.

        Physically abused men exist, and the abuse physically hurts them as much as a big ol’ dude punching a little ol’ woman because women often use objects and/or the element of surprise to increase their damage potential.

      • I have been married for 23 years to my high school sweetheart. We had great times and of course very tough times. Over the years my wife’s behavior has changed dramatically. She went from having hyperthyroid to hypothyroid. She has been diagnosed with ADHD and borderline Bi-Polar Disorder. I have been through the spectrum of verbal, emotional and physical abuse. She has kicked me out in the middle of the street and drove off. She has driven towards me to “scare me” three different times, pinning my leg under the tire “accidentally” on one occasion. I cannot count the number of times I have coward while taking the hits or stood and listened to my failures and lack of accomplishments in life. I love my wife with all my heart and have always felt it was my responsibility to help her and to protect her, even from herself. However, I snapped, my tolerance has hit zero and I could not hear another name, insult or put-down without exploding. The light suddenly went on after another insult and I realized it was in the best interest of my children, my health and my relationship to leave the house. I walked out… I offered to help in any way possible, picking kids up etc… as well as financially. I would never abandon my family. So now I have been labeled the husband who abandoned my wife and kids. Everyone at our church, family and friends at football games all look from a distance. I am officially the “bad husband”. I have been gone for 10 month’s now. I have seen three different counselors with and without my wife. We have switched because each one has “taken my side” and “I have pulled the wool over their eyes”… She begs me for a divorce and swears that I don’t love her or want to be with her. I also “don’t ever try or make an effort” I only “do what the counselor says” and I “don’t take initiative to save our marriage”. Did I mention that I bought a thoughtful gift and a card for our Anniversary this year, yet I received nothing… not even a card… My relationship with my children is great and they do not blame me for removing myself from the situation. They have lived it with me and know everything… Through it all I know that I am blessed more than I deserve to be. I can only do what I believe is best for my children and myself. I put my faith and my life in Gods hands and know it will work out however he see’s fit and at this point in my life I can accept that.

    • Anonymous says:

      The author of the article provided a disclaimer regarding the stereotyping of genders and stated that crazymaking does NOT discriminate.

    • If you read the article you would have seen. It was Blatantly pointed out in the beginning. They weren’t pointing fingers at anyone gender and asked you not to get fixated on the pronouns used.

    • Because the majority of the time, the abuse is from a man to a woman because men are stronger and use their strength as a form of power and control.

  6. I like the information here about broken promises, or denial of the promises ever being made. I have a spouse that is using every one of these tactics, and more than anything, I am ashamed that I have wasted so much of my time trying to psychoanalyze myself to make sure it wasn’t my flawed thinking. He is a liar, and is most likely a cheater as well. For the last 6 months he has left many hours unaccounted for, has been at places other than where he said he was, come home freshly showered, (and does not EVER go to the gym, so please don’t even suggest it). He has groomed himself in very odd ways, (personal grooming, after years of NEVER CARING ABOUT BEING SHAVED DOWN THERE), acted suddenly over protective of his phone..etc. He has lied about money, hours worked, claiming to have “fallen asleep in his truck when he didn’t come home until 10 pm..(he got out of work that day at 530 pm)…oh gawd, ad nauseum…Now suddenly he is being super attentive, playing with our 5year old son, etc. For months he claimed that he had “e.d.” as in, he can’t keep an erection. Now suddenly (since he “turned a new leaf”, he has erections every night! Amazing, isn’t it,? Lol. How about this: The stupid idiot is so ignorant that he thinks that I’m not smart enough to figure out that his “e.d” was just an overworked penis and that his bimbo just dumped him. Sorry if I sound bitter, people, I’m really not..I’ve just decided to quit trying to question my thinking when he’s the one who has destroyed our family, not me. And I’m not falling for any more of his lies…peace.

    • Same thing here! I wouldn’t let him touch me if I were you. He is getting his erections thinking of his time with another woman. After years together mine left and came back 4 months later. all the years we were together making love we had eye contact. He came back and couldn’t seem to get enough sex, but with eyes closed tight. He never looked at me anymore. It was only when I came up with a nasty infection that I realized he had been with someone else. I would leave him. He did it once, he will do it again. Mine did.

  7. Anonymous says:

    woman are amazing abusers, but just the idea of typing out what I went thru scares the shit out of me. and women are abusers in ways, that even just telling people about it, makes you look like a crazy person. this one woman, just kept telling me to lower my voice, no matter how low it was. I realized, eventually, because of how frustrating it felt, that she tapped into the idea that it both meant a lot to me to be heard, and also to be soft, and not be accused of screaming. I would squirm and squirm, trying to talk lower and lower, till I finally figured it out. the squirming was the point. just trying to make me as uncomfortable as possible. if I kept giving examples, eventually, I would just seem crazy myself. that’s what crazy making / gas lighting does, makes you nuts. but in a way, when people are like this, they need to know you are strong enough to see thru it and handle it. [abusers] are like demons, and they only respect other people who are comfortable with them in hell.

    • Wow, Anonymous. That is a perfect example of an abuser making you “small” while receiving pleasure from knowing you are uncomfortable. That is crazy-making at its best (or worst?). I agree that abusers are like demons. In my older writings I’ve called abuse the “abuse demon” because it seems to take hold of people and never leave. I hope you’re out of that relationship. I’m sorry that it is so difficult for males to receive validation when they talk about a woman who abused them. I believe you. I also believe the desire for manipulation and control is equal across both genders. I believe there are as many female abusers as there are male. However, men don’t talk about it due to society’s stigmas. I’m glad you opened up here.

      • My ex systematically trivialized or pathologized all my interests and attributes – classical music, reading a lot, my social skills and comfort, and finally my apparent happiness/cheerfulness. He almost had me convinced I was really stupid, uncultured and just a show-off wanting attention with my hobbies and interests. No, that was HIM – and his envy because he was so dull he had NO hobbies, interests, skills or talents. He was trying to snuff out my flame so I wouldn’t shine and trun me into a depressed, inert, dull zombie that was no longer a threat to him or show him up or outshine him.

  8. Feels alive says:

    So what do I do if I’m beginning to realize I’ve been manipulative and a crazy maker? I don’t feel as terrible as I know I should. I understand it’s not the way to go and I want to stop and make it right but this article is very accurate and missing something at the same time. It’s not that I act justified its that in the moment I actually feel justified or like I’m living in a desperate reality to make it feel right. My mom is a major crazy maker but I want to be better than who I am, how do I do it? How do I realize I’m making mistakes while I’m making them?

    Thank you!

    • Thank you for responding to the post. When I started to unlearn my abusive and crazymaking behaviors, I had to apologize to the people I hurt OFTEN.

      If you don’t catch yourself DURING the behavior, then apologizing and having a healthy conversation with the other(s) involved will help. Apologizing helps you recognize mistakes sooner, and eventually you’ll learn to recognize what you’re doing when you do it. After that, you can learn to NOT behave that way at all.

  9. Cassandra says:

    I called the hotline. They contacted agencies to have all my children removed from the home. The children who are teens are now not talking to me and are angry with me, because the authorities will not let them see me. My husband stopped all immediate support. I will probably lose my home as a result. I feel betrayed by telling anyone because there is no support out there if you tell. Confidentiality does not exist. The worker clearly told me and the rest the family that she was contacted by the agency I reached out to. They are angry at me as a result.
    It’s best not to get these agencies involved. They mean well BUT cause more harm than good. I am not going to pursue treatment now because I have to concentrate on where I am going to live. 50 years of my life to end up on the street and children gone. There is no good end to reporting to these agencies. They tell you to trust them, then what your husband doesn’t do to hurt you, they finish. You are by yourself in this matter. I have learned my lesson.

  10. no one special says:

    I was locked outside in the middle of the night for 4hrs. While being told he is the only one who loves me and is there for me. We had sex after he let me in ,then told me We needed time apart and I’m always negative and angry. That his life has no drama when I’m not in it.
    He’s letting me use his vehicle and says I’m ungrateful for all he does for me, if I have feelings about him hanging out with another woman until 2 in the morning.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Yes, i was destroyed, time to turn & strengthen the ‘brethren’, your information is uplifting. Thank-you!

  12. My husband is this omg….. :'( i have been telling him for yrs he is making me go crazy he does each one of these things i am on medication and i am becoming extremly violent w him now because i am not crazy. He pushes me to argue and then starts yrlling at me and then when he is sick of yelling je says why where you yelling… why did u start the fight and he will day i was mad about something that i wasnt. The o ly thkng i would be mad about is that i didnt yell… and i wasnt mad. Do i leave him. I do love him but when we fight this is exactly what he does to me everrry time

    • delery brown says:

      At first i thought i was paranoid. Or maybe i make it happen. But maybe i just have a knack for choosing mates who attempt to crumble me.
      This recent relationship of a year with a crazy maker includes misplacement of my eBay sales items. Missing just one boot that magically appears later. How about every right gardening glove. Gobe. For 6mo. Now retirned. Hmm. And just tbis week: every single spoon of regular size!! NONE!! We eat with the large round soup spoon or the tiny desert spoon now. Wtf!! And i know he knoes i know its him.
      What kind of ridiculous elementary game is this?!!! Im not smart enough to leave. Hes squatting here. He wont leave. But im smart enough to SEE.
      How far will he go? I dont really want to live playing tit for tat with an abusive dumba**
      Too bad though. Mr Average/Ugly.. had a beautiful, true hearted woman that loved him. Guess thats not what he really wants. He’d rather destroy something.

  13. You have no idea how helpful and empowering this article has been. I like this specific examples you give because they confirm what’s really happening. There’s much more I could say, but I will end with a Thank you.

  14. Yeah, your right about crazymakers, my boyfriend can go yo hell I’ve been with him for 5 years, & he slowly but surely started doing all almost all of the above, including I’m at fault or that I’m wrong for me being treated wrong before in the past before I even knew him, & that I’m the reason for them. He says he’s wrong for yelling at me & for having tempers & standing over me 1 to 2 inches away from my face, throwing things across the room, acting in a rage & but he still has the audacity to do it every time there’s a disagreement,I’ve been shopping at the mall or store a couple of times & he calls me & says where you at? What you doin?, who you with? I’ll say I’m in dressing room, or shopping, & hell say well if your with a man you better find a place to go to. I’ll be out with my mother shopping spending the day with her & he calls acting a bit of a fool, when I’m with my mother. He states that I’m the reason for why he acts this way. Or I say what is wrong with you, he’ll say “you”…….I say you are you own problem, I don’t make you anything, you (allow) yourself to get angry!

  15. Trapped in Manitoba says:

    I have been involved in a relationship with a Crazy Maker since 2010, and she moved in with me in 2012. At the time, I felt very sorry for her, as she had been on Disability since 2007. She is from a large Mennonite family and claimed extensive abuse. She also claimed abuse from her Ex, and that her two adult kids, a boy and a girl, used her.

    I realized too late – after she moved in of course – that she is suffering from extensive mental health issues. Yes, she is receiving Disability but due to documented mental health issues. Her control started out very subtle, and like a nice guy I immediately gave in because I felt sorry for her.

    The control now involves when I can use the bathroom, I have to ask permission to mow the lawn or wash the car or even vacuum the floors. Her two adult kids refuse to have anything to do with her, the last time they visited they said, right to her face, that she was a “manipulative, evil woman who is abusing her relationship”.

    Quite frankly, I have seriously considered suicide as the only way out. Whenever I express frustration, she calmly reminds me that she gets half the house and smirks. Even in the store, she is paranoid and claims that every woman in sight is “checking me out” and accuses me of looking at other women.

    She will even, in a loud voice in front of others at the store, say “well, I guess you sure don’t love me anymore”. I used to tuck my head down and cower when this behavior started, now I just don’t care anymore.

    I used to have nothing but sympathy and compassion for people who had mental health issues. Now, I feel they should all be locked up in mental health institutions. The damage they do to our society is beyond comprehension.

    It still feels totally surreal to me that I am so thoroughly controlled and trapped.

  16. I found these paragraphs very informing,know I can move foward with stopping his bullshit for real, he’s not siick and I’m not crazy.

  17. You just defined my relationship to a tee!!!

  18. Susan Geter says:

    Thank you I never knew what to call it. I knew what he was doing but gr8 would act like I was a drama queen when I told people what he was doing to me. He is currently in jail for DV.

  19. Susan Geter says:

    Everything finally makes so much sense. I am in shock I have so much to share but need to wrap my head around what I have discovered. As I read everyone’s comments I identify 28th everyone. I don’t feel there is much hope for change. You won’t change what you won’t acknowledge.

    • Super Frustrated says:

      I agree about not changing what you won’t acknowledge. I have been going through this with my now husband for 8 years. Early on he would call me an idiot or stupid and then minimize it by saying “it isn’t anything that I wouldn’t call myself” he stopped for a while but other abusive foul language would be said to me before hanging up in my face or making a scene in an area where I really couldn’t walk away. Every disagreement is my fault…every single one…when I’m normally responding or replying to his rude, mean, or condescending words. He grew up in a verbally abusive household raised by his mother, and says, “well she was verbally abusive to everyone else but me”. It doesn’t matter who it was towards, it shows that as a grown man 2nd marriage (with very similar feedback from the first wife) that you definitely picked up the same abusive ways. Instead of acknowledging the damage and the fact that it is abuse it’s always “what I’m doing or not doing” It’s crazy-making cause at the end of the day nothing ever gets resolved. According to him I’m the “problem maker” “or a person that love to fight” “love disharmony and discord”. What’s even more frustrating is I will tell him my thoughts or feelings or what my intent is, and he tells me “he knows me and that’s not what I was feeling or thinking” I don’t feel like there is hope for change either if its “all me every time”

      • I can completely get where you are coming from.. Mine too started arguments in public and belittled me. I also get told I’m the problem maker. I’m frustrated because I know he lies through his teeth to me. I question him and then get told it’s me! I have a right to question if we are in a so called loving relationship. Mine has also started saying ” I have a feeling you were abused badly before your childhood.” It’s like he is wanted me to say yeah and to believe it , so that I view his behaviou as ” acceptable” . I see right through his sad ass. I know he has ALOT of insecurities and tries to mask them. Let’s see where he will be without me because he seems to thrive on thinking he has me at rock bottom. He is a narcissist. That’s exactly what he is and the same goes for your partner. I hope you have worked out what is best for YOU. These situations usually get worse. I hope you are safe.. Has he ever been physical with you? Mine has and I was stupid enough to take him back, but he is overpowering and I have always been afraid of what he is capable of. It’s my fault for putting my trust in him and giving him chance after chance when all he did was wrong me. I guess all he did was appeal to my nature because everything I love, he loves even more! Music was my dream and look he is chasing it now!!! I’m sorry to go on and on. I find this very therapeutic. Please let us know how you are getting on. Love and blessings. Jana xoxo

  20. This is exactly what I am experiencing at present. I was stupid enough to take him back after I left him for 7 months. I WISH I had never taken him back and I know he was only with me, so I sing on his tracks. Why can’t he do it himself? He knows how much music is my passion and it’s now even more his passion. I feel like he wants to rob me of everything..my dreams, self confidence.. I was upset with him yesterday because he contacted me telling me he loved me ( yes for some strange reason I love him too. It’s the hold he has on me.) and how he wanted me to come stay at his for the week. Yeah to record.. I feel like he could just pimp me out in the hope he gets lots of cash. He feels HIS music will be a success. Remember all HIS ideas count.. But yeah back to yesterday.. He was all over me with his sweet talk and then he went offline. He returned 2am with the excuse there was no wifi at work. He also only uses skype. Says he does not want a cell phone number.. I swear he blocked me, because today at work his status is away and not offline! I ask questions today about yesterday and I go on that I can’t be treated like this and I have had enough. He then disconnects the call by hanging up in my face and says ” I’m not having it, THANKYOU.” This has been a common theme throughout the time I took him back. I know this is abuse and I can only put an end to it. I feel so brainwashed. He says I’m going nowhere without him. How nasty and insensitive!!!

    • Wait. He says he doesn’t have a cell phone, but he has enough money to be a recording artist? He only has Skype?? Girl, not only does he obviously have another partner and family, but he’s made you his side chick. YOU NEED TO LEAVE. This is insane and he’s treating you like dirt. I’ll bet he disappears during holidays too!

  21. Wow… This is my life! I question myself…sometimes..I have realized that he is verbally abusive and twist things around..trying to make me feel crazy. I have to talk it out with my friends…family..and they make me see it isn’t me..it’s him. Thank you for your article!

  22. Jessica Lynne says:

    Holy crap this is very very true to the heart. And to think he made everyone in his life think I was the emotional crazy one, its been hurting for years. My life is destroyed and I’m almost 30…

  23. SafeandWarm says:

    My abuser would create situations so he could abuse me. Once after a night of drinking a few beers, playing guitar and just having fun, we were laying down and the lights were all off. We were starting to have sex and then I can’t remember anything. That is not like me at all. Looking back it’s like I had been drugged. Well the next morning, he brought coffee but was acting very sullen and angry, that quiet, scary, walk-on-eggshells anger–to let me know (or wonder what he was thinking) he was mad at me or about something. He continued that attitude all morning. Later on we were at a mountain park– it was a beautiful day– playing backgammon when out of the blue he announced “Do you know what you did last night?” I said no and he told me that I had said the name of an ex during sex. I didn’t remember anything like that, he continued to talk about it, how much it hurt him, that I must be thinking about the ex during all of our intimate times. He suddenly wanted to leave and took me to my house. He was rude, quiet, sulky and didn’t even say goodbye before driving off. I was so confused!!

    That next week, he punished me. He’d text me constantly, talking about this. I kept saying I don’t remember that, what do you want me to say, I’m sorry!! He went on in long texts that he couldn’t sleep, it was affecting his job, that he could never compare to my ex or his social status, his income,etc. it went on for a very long week. We never did really talk about it like 2 adults should, one day it was just over, the punishment stopped and he went on like nothing had happened. It took me a year to add that stunt of his into his ‘poor me look what you did wrong’ section, and started to see exactly what he was doing—actually creating a situation so he could punish me, abuse me, give me the silent treatment (a favorite of his) & treat me like I was a horrible person, getting I’m sorrys when I didn’t even know why I was apologizing. Talk about Crazymaking!!!
    I’ve been gone one yr and 3 months from that narcissistic abuser. I LOVE living alone, not having to wake up wondering what mood he’d be in, no longer walking on eggshells, no more arguments that went round & round and I never knew exactly what we were actually arguing about, but somehow they were all my fault. He got physical with me once and choked me. After finding Kellie’s site, getting a mentor and researching as much as possible (at the library as I was too afraid he’d find out if I used the home computers) I left. Vanished. Best decision I ever made—but having to have the last word, the last final act of control, he took all my belongings and put them in storage and wrote a list of demands of how I was ‘allowed’ to retrieve them. He was SUPER angry at all the money he had to spend on a lawyer to fight the restraining order. He was not about to let it end ‘in my favor’ which would simply be I’d go get my things and that would be that. He set me up to fail, knowing I couldn’t follow his controlling, crazy, demands AND pay him for storage and moving my stuff. Which I never asked him to do, or give him permission to do. Oh you should’ve seen the list…talk about Crazymaking. He made stuff up and it was all to make me look like the ‘crazy’ one, that HE needed police to be there to protect himself from me, I couldn’t go in ‘sections’ to the storage, it had to be all at once, and anyone he knew may help me physically move things was ‘not allowed’ there.
    Thank You God for getting me out of the chaos & insanity of an abusive man’s world.
    And thank you Kellie, you were truly the first place I found when I Googled ‘abusive relationships’. I owe you so much, but thank you will have to do for now.

    • You told him you blacked out during sex and he gets stuck on what you supposedly said? If this is the first time this blacking out happened to you, then drugging is the logical conclusion. If it’s happened before, and usually in romantic/sexual situations, you may have PTSD like me. Very suspicious.

      Glad you got rid of him.

  24. The effects of brainwashing can be far-reaching, very severe, and unforeseen.

    My case: One man, Deric, was the popular guy in church and a friend in my crowd, which was mostly guys, me, and one other tomboy. One day, Deric asked me out, but I told him he was just a friend. He ignored me and told everyone we were dating, and it was my idea. I felt everyone else had ditched me while I was trying to shun Deric. He told me I make everyone uncomfortable, that I’m socially awkward and think all guys like me, and he’d “teach me how to date.” I’d talk to a guy: “you think he likes you.” Some guy hands me something: “you think he’s trying to hold your hand.” I’d stare off into space and a man would walk by: “stop staring at him, you’re embarrassing yourself; he doesn’t like you like that.”

    He’d then go to the group and create a lot of drama: “Audra thinks So-and-so likes her. Oh, Dave, I caught her trying to key your car. And Chris, she’s telling everyone you tried to kiss her, and she’s driving by your house and watching you.”

    My so-called friends avoided me. Deric would storm up to me, touch my nose with his, lean over me, and scream, “YOU THINK [guy] LIKES YOU!!” This merry-go-round of causing drama and blaming me went on for years.

    I became afraid to walk into church. I avoided Deric as much as I could, ignoring his group and making new friends, but he’d follow me, create chaos, and blame me. The problems always ended up in my lap. It took me a long while to figure out–HE was stalking ME and claiming I was stalking MEN.

    The brainwashing became so bad I became afraid of contact with any man, and even afraid to leave my house for fear of being arrested for stalking God-knows-who. I cowered when anyone came close. I had no other friends and kept my distance from people. I also believed this fear I was feeling was my attraction, and that they wanted to date me.

    After over a decade of “Dericonditioning,” I took my shaking at being touched as being sexually attracted. This eventually caused me lots of problems because I work with kids. As a teacher I helped kids learn to write, and I then believed I was attracted to my students because I would cower when they would touch my hand and sometimes would black out. I quit teaching out of fear of hurting someone or accidentally molesting someone. I took menial jobs but was afraid of going out in public. I grew more paranoid and believed the paranoia meant I was attracted to anyone near me. I did try getting a restraining order, but no one ever admitted to witnessing the harassment–I was supposedly the problem, with no social skills, always chasing guys, and “desperate to date.” I couldn’t focus on work, was having regular panic attacks, and eventually went broke and had to move back in with my parents.

    I finally had to leave the church Deric was at, but I still believed there was something wrong with me. I now believed I was a child molester and sex addict, and more panic attacks lead to more conviction that I was feeling lust. I ended up with a sociopathic rapist that believed he was “helping me” with MY sex addiction.

    After trying to commit suicide and being put on a 51-50, it took over 5 years after getting rid of Deric to find a therapist that saw through the brainwashing and got me in touch with my feelings. He told me I’m not seducing him nor attracted to him, and got me to feel afraid and know that it’s fear. He had me do grounding exercises, drawing my feelings, work with sensory objects, and taught me emotional intelligence skills. He had me outline my values, believe in myself, helped me build a support system to protect me, and I’m now starting to stand up for myself and others. He said I was the worst case of gaslighting and conditioning he had ever seen, and he’d only read of two similar cases.

    I’m becoming the tomboy I was before I met Deric. I’m grateful for my therapist and angry I had to endure so much because of one jealous a$$h@le. But now I can see through almost anyone. And I will advocate for those abused, because we are NOT to blame.

    • Audra what you wrote.. I can relate to some of that. Did therapy really help u? I need to think about going for therapy. I must

      • My best advice: find a TRAUMA therapist. I called my local RCS: Rape Counseling Services to find a good one. I originally went to the County Behavioral Health Center. Dialectical/Cognitive Behavioral Therapies failed on me, and have been proven to backfire on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Another piece of advice: “The Body Keeps the Score,” is an amazing book on the effects of sexual abuse and explains PTSD in a way that made me feel like I wasn’t crazy or alone.

        My therapist was AMAZING. Him being a man really helped, but in the beginning I was still brainwashed; I was afraid of him and assumed paranoia was attraction. He stuck with me and mainly got me to breathe with my panic attacks and not black out. That safety part took four months. Then we worked on describing the trauma and feeling my feelings–feeling panic, describing it, and drawing it. THEN came the unbrainwashing: that feeling is panic, not attraction. I know how I feel–I am cowering, and that isn’t liking someone. Final phase: It took a full year for me to build up my confidence in myself and connect with healthy, protective relationships. This is what trauma therapy is. I highly recommend it.

    • Amazing journey you have been on. I am so proud of you for getting away and for taking care of you.

  25. I know this is old. The reason articles write it from the women’s point of view is because most of the time it’s the man beating, choking, threatening, intimidating the woman- most of the time. And it used to be like that many years ago and it was acceptable for a man to rape or beat his wife. No laws. A husband could beat or rape his wife what 50, 60 years ago in the U.S. Women are being raped, killed, stoned and beaten still today in other countries. How prevalent is abuse from females to makes in other countries?? Pretty much zero. Because the man Can do what he wants with his wife, with women with minimal or zero consequence.

    In the US, When a woman does it to the man, the man is in a position to walk away or defend himself physically if he had to. A man can physically hold a woman’s hands still- a woman cannot do that. And a woman CANNOT physically defend herself. Many times they can’t even disagree with her man because she is not allowed to think for herself or else.

    I know I cannot defend myself physically because I have tried. My reach and height are too short. I am not strong like a man. I cannot compete and I am / was in great shape. It’s been ten years and my body is worn. I get sick much more often. My brain is not as sharp. And I am so resentful and angry that another human being would Treat another human being regardless of gender this way, especially when the victim has been loving, forgiving, and supportive to get him help. Some call me stupid or even that I deserve it. Adding more pain.

    My advice is RUN…. Man or woman, someone is abusing you physically? Mentally? Emotionally? RUN far away. Don’t explain. They are like spiders and the more kindness and compassion you show for them, the more opportunity you give them to suck the hope, the warmth, the spirit out of you until you are left with a body with a heart that beats but no life. Run. They will never change for the better, they only get worse. The more time you give to them, the more trapped you will become. Run and look for someone who loves and respects their parents, family and friends- that person will respect you. Look for someone who is good with children – that person will be a good parent. Look for someone who respects themselves- they will respect you and your family and friends. Look for someone who is consistent. Pay attention. If I only paid attention to the signs…. One mistake is the red flag. I saw red flags but my positivity and wanting to help others got me thinking I could change this person. This person can’t change. Even when they do its temporary. RUN!!!!!

  26. This is very insightful! This is powerful information.

  27. Jana Edmondson says:

    Thank you to every single person who has read what I wrote and who has taken the time to comment. Well everything came to a head today and I heard from his wife. Yep .. She contacted me out the blue to fill me in. She didn’t know I existed as I was a random phone number on a piece of paper. There’s been lots of other women and he all tried to get cash out of them. This is what I needed to know, so I could begin the process of setting myself free! This man is a liar. I could go on and on, but I have things to still get on with today. I feel sick, stupid and disgusted. Yuck.

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