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	<description>...and what I&#039;m doing in it</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wrong by Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you are doing.  (The 12 step relation.)  HOWEVER - don&#039;t let this get too far in your mind.  

You asked that we not comment things like “But Kellie, you were justified” or “You were in the middle of a horrible situation!”.  You said that for a reason.  You know they are true; but you are also trying to figure out exactly where you stand in the whole situation.  

Please don&#039;t deny yourself the courtesy of realizing you were ultimately REACTING.  EVEN if you were the one to start the offense.  

About your blog.  I swear.  Don&#039;t let Will (or anybody else) convince you to take it down.  That blows me away.  You are speaking the truth on here.  You are using it to work your way through a horrible life situation.  You DESERVE this; and so does anybody else who reads it in order to have realizations in their own lives.  If it &quot;embarrasses&quot; him - he shouldn&#039;t acted in the way that he has.  

By Will telling you that it is an embarrassment - it is another form of manipulation.  If HE were actually working through this problem, he would realize that he has to own up to his actions.  He is not doing that.  He wants them gone.

If YOU don&#039;t want to continue on, I will.  I will write about being the sister of a woman who endures this abuse and manipulation.  Your story MUST be told.  It will be much, much better coming from you.  You are on a life path here, Kellie.  Keep it up, and don&#039;t feel the least bit guilty.  After all, you are just presenting the truth.

(Good job on registering those business names BTW!)

In the spirit of the first half of your post... I am biting my tongue, or tying my fingers, when I say the following.  Just remember:

NOBODY&#039;S PERFECT.

I love you.  You are a wonderful person; and you are doing the right thing here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you are doing.  (The 12 step relation.)  HOWEVER &#8211; don&#8217;t let this get too far in your mind.  </p>
<p>You asked that we not comment things like “But Kellie, you were justified” or “You were in the middle of a horrible situation!”.  You said that for a reason.  You know they are true; but you are also trying to figure out exactly where you stand in the whole situation.  </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t deny yourself the courtesy of realizing you were ultimately REACTING.  EVEN if you were the one to start the offense.  </p>
<p>About your blog.  I swear.  Don&#8217;t let Will (or anybody else) convince you to take it down.  That blows me away.  You are speaking the truth on here.  You are using it to work your way through a horrible life situation.  You DESERVE this; and so does anybody else who reads it in order to have realizations in their own lives.  If it &#8220;embarrasses&#8221; him &#8211; he shouldn&#8217;t acted in the way that he has.  </p>
<p>By Will telling you that it is an embarrassment &#8211; it is another form of manipulation.  If HE were actually working through this problem, he would realize that he has to own up to his actions.  He is not doing that.  He wants them gone.</p>
<p>If YOU don&#8217;t want to continue on, I will.  I will write about being the sister of a woman who endures this abuse and manipulation.  Your story MUST be told.  It will be much, much better coming from you.  You are on a life path here, Kellie.  Keep it up, and don&#8217;t feel the least bit guilty.  After all, you are just presenting the truth.</p>
<p>(Good job on registering those business names BTW!)</p>
<p>In the spirit of the first half of your post&#8230; I am biting my tongue, or tying my fingers, when I say the following.  Just remember:</p>
<p>NOBODY&#8217;S PERFECT.</p>
<p>I love you.  You are a wonderful person; and you are doing the right thing here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Seek and Ye Shall Find by A?ra Mazd?</title>
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		<dc:creator>A?ra Mazd?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The duality of God something conveniently passed over as Judeo/Christian/Moslem monotheism only accepted the convenience of a good and just god from the Indo-Persian fire worshippers (Zoroastrianism).

Ahura Mazda and Anra Mainyu are the dual nature of God, in eastern cultures the Yin and the Yang.  It&#039;s finding the proper balance without tipping over, uncontrolled consumption of drugs and alcohol can disrupt the fine balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The duality of God something conveniently passed over as Judeo/Christian/Moslem monotheism only accepted the convenience of a good and just god from the Indo-Persian fire worshippers (Zoroastrianism).</p>
<p>Ahura Mazda and Anra Mainyu are the dual nature of God, in eastern cultures the Yin and the Yang.  It&#8217;s finding the proper balance without tipping over, uncontrolled consumption of drugs and alcohol can disrupt the fine balance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Love Who I Am Becoming by Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like it :) I&#039;m thinking that after absorbing all this sh*t, I&#039;ve got a bunch of growing to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like it <img src='http://verbalabusejournals.com/verbal-abuse-marriage/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m thinking that after absorbing all this sh*t, I&#8217;ve got a bunch of growing to do!</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Love Who I Am Becoming by newdirection</title>
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		<dc:creator>newdirection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard someone say the otherday that every life is like a plant.  you need sh*t and sunshine to grow.  We love the sunshine, but the sh*t is essential too.  thought you might enjoy that :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard someone say the otherday that every life is like a plant.  you need sh*t and sunshine to grow.  We love the sunshine, but the sh*t is essential too.  thought you might enjoy that <img src='http://verbalabusejournals.com/verbal-abuse-marriage/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on I Want to Lie to You by newdirection</title>
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		<dc:creator>newdirection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is NOTHING wrong with wanting to prevent divorce.  I think your list is excellent.  I would add that drawing the line at abuse is good, but you want a HAPPY marriage, not just an abuse free one.  Actively being cherished, loved, respected and honored is not to much to demand and is actually necessary for stopping abuse.  You need to replace the hurt with love for you to heal.  I recommened Kathy and Joel Davisson&#039;s books.  Google them and you&#039;ll find them.  

My STBX refused my &quot;list&quot;.  Wouldn&#039;t read one book, walked out of therapy.  Wants to reconcile but just wants to ignore the fact that he has abused me for years and wants us to try to be nice and let the past go!  It hurts to know that he will not do the work and that I am left with filing for divorce and changing my daughter&#039;s life forever or I KNOW I will return to the same life I finally got the strength to leave.  

Please also consider that he should get therapy BEFORE you do couples work.  He needs to show remorse and a desire for restituion or he will use couples counseling as a weapon against you.  Couples counseling is not recommended for abusive relationships.  No one is perfect, but the abuse is HIS issue, not yours as a couple.  Sending you comfort and love on your journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is NOTHING wrong with wanting to prevent divorce.  I think your list is excellent.  I would add that drawing the line at abuse is good, but you want a HAPPY marriage, not just an abuse free one.  Actively being cherished, loved, respected and honored is not to much to demand and is actually necessary for stopping abuse.  You need to replace the hurt with love for you to heal.  I recommened Kathy and Joel Davisson&#8217;s books.  Google them and you&#8217;ll find them.  </p>
<p>My STBX refused my &#8220;list&#8221;.  Wouldn&#8217;t read one book, walked out of therapy.  Wants to reconcile but just wants to ignore the fact that he has abused me for years and wants us to try to be nice and let the past go!  It hurts to know that he will not do the work and that I am left with filing for divorce and changing my daughter&#8217;s life forever or I KNOW I will return to the same life I finally got the strength to leave.  </p>
<p>Please also consider that he should get therapy BEFORE you do couples work.  He needs to show remorse and a desire for restituion or he will use couples counseling as a weapon against you.  Couples counseling is not recommended for abusive relationships.  No one is perfect, but the abuse is HIS issue, not yours as a couple.  Sending you comfort and love on your journey.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Am Hoping by eaglewolfespirit/Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaglewolfespirit/Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a vicoius cycle it is...I hate the anxiety...the nervousness in the gut...anxiety is a side effect of the abuse...I just read your post where &#039;little me&#039; and &#039;big me&#039; are conversing...&#039;big me&#039; mentions when you dread hearing the footsteps, I am SO there...home is supposed to be our sanctuary, filled with beauty, love, peace....not our jail cell, our tomb...where our souls rot from starvation....and we are tormented, tormented for what?? Senselessness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a vicoius cycle it is&#8230;I hate the anxiety&#8230;the nervousness in the gut&#8230;anxiety is a side effect of the abuse&#8230;I just read your post where &#8216;little me&#8217; and &#8216;big me&#8217; are conversing&#8230;&#8217;big me&#8217; mentions when you dread hearing the footsteps, I am SO there&#8230;home is supposed to be our sanctuary, filled with beauty, love, peace&#8230;.not our jail cell, our tomb&#8230;where our souls rot from starvation&#8230;.and we are tormented, tormented for what?? Senselessness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Want to Lie to You by eaglewolfespirit/Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaglewolfespirit/Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABSOLUTLY EXCELENT! You ARE a planner, and please, do not ever feel that anyone would ever consider you a fraud! You are 100% genuine and honest! By doing this, this post and these reconciliation terms,you are doing the right thing for you and your family. You are implimenting assertive intervention, something anyone with an ounce of love and caring would do...I for one am proud of you, who you are...just you...you are a beautiful, loving woman, and those who have you in their lives are truly blessed...Thanks again and always for sharing, it helps those who read more than you may ever know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABSOLUTLY EXCELENT! You ARE a planner, and please, do not ever feel that anyone would ever consider you a fraud! You are 100% genuine and honest! By doing this, this post and these reconciliation terms,you are doing the right thing for you and your family. You are implimenting assertive intervention, something anyone with an ounce of love and caring would do&#8230;I for one am proud of you, who you are&#8230;just you&#8230;you are a beautiful, loving woman, and those who have you in their lives are truly blessed&#8230;Thanks again and always for sharing, it helps those who read more than you may ever know!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Too Soon by I Want to Lie to You &#124; My Verbally Abusive Marriage</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Want to Lie to You &#124; My Verbally Abusive Marriage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February 13, I wrote Too Soon. At the end of the post, I said: &#8220;Instead of blogging, I am going to write out what I want. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Liar Liar by eaglewolfespirit/Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaglewolfespirit/Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN!~ Kellie, let it out....GOOD FOR YOU! IMO,I feel it&#039;s embedded in their hearts, the same as what we have embedded in ours! But get that nasty vileness out of you, and writing &amp; blogging is a great way of doing it!The trueness of hearts such as these repulse me...and absorbing that energy has such a negative effect on me...Lots of LOVE sent your way!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN!~ Kellie, let it out&#8230;.GOOD FOR YOU! IMO,I feel it&#8217;s embedded in their hearts, the same as what we have embedded in ours! But get that nasty vileness out of you, and writing &amp; blogging is a great way of doing it!The trueness of hearts such as these repulse me&#8230;and absorbing that energy has such a negative effect on me&#8230;Lots of LOVE sent your way!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rules by Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is important to understand that these &quot;rules&quot; aren&#039;t accepted at the beginning of abusive relationships. I know that I spent loads of time and energy rebelling against his abuse. But over time, if you&#039;re a partner, you make concessions. You adjust behaviors both consciously and subconsciously thinking that your loved one is, in fact, a &quot;partner&quot; in the relationship as well.

Whether it takes weeks, months or years, at some point abuse targets must look at the reality of our situation. I found that I had agreed to &quot;rules&quot; out of a desire to keep him happy (or at least, not angry). It happens slowly, subtly, and completely.

It&#039;s also important to note that many women who are abused at home DO NOT carry the sickness into the workplace. Many women who take no crap from anyone at work DAILY accept crap from their mates. It seems contradictory, but it just goes to show how underhanded and sneaky Abuse truly is.

It gets to the best of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is important to understand that these &#8220;rules&#8221; aren&#8217;t accepted at the beginning of abusive relationships. I know that I spent loads of time and energy rebelling against his abuse. But over time, if you&#8217;re a partner, you make concessions. You adjust behaviors both consciously and subconsciously thinking that your loved one is, in fact, a &#8220;partner&#8221; in the relationship as well.</p>
<p>Whether it takes weeks, months or years, at some point abuse targets must look at the reality of our situation. I found that I had agreed to &#8220;rules&#8221; out of a desire to keep him happy (or at least, not angry). It happens slowly, subtly, and completely.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to note that many women who are abused at home DO NOT carry the sickness into the workplace. Many women who take no crap from anyone at work DAILY accept crap from their mates. It seems contradictory, but it just goes to show how underhanded and sneaky Abuse truly is.</p>
<p>It gets to the best of us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rules by keepsmiling</title>
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		<dc:creator>keepsmiling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would break every rule in lifes imaginary rule book if i knew it was right, some rules are made to be broken, without the breaking of rules we would still be living in the dark ages no votes for women our voices would never be heard.

Rules can be like imaginary shackles placed on us by ourselves or others for control.

Why set yourself rules, life is to short just be kind, dont intentionally hurt others, do the best you can do, and dont listen to people who say the only right way is there way.

Freedom lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would break every rule in lifes imaginary rule book if i knew it was right, some rules are made to be broken, without the breaking of rules we would still be living in the dark ages no votes for women our voices would never be heard.</p>
<p>Rules can be like imaginary shackles placed on us by ourselves or others for control.</p>
<p>Why set yourself rules, life is to short just be kind, dont intentionally hurt others, do the best you can do, and dont listen to people who say the only right way is there way.</p>
<p>Freedom lol</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fixing It by eaglewolfespirit/Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaglewolfespirit/Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kellie &amp; Erin!
I&#039;ve been meaning to tell you, I have listened once to this Hypnosis, and although not 100% sure, I have felt SO much better, SO much stronger, and insight and outlook is clearer! A few days ago, I had my 7yr old listen to it as well, for as long as he is here, she needs all the ammo she can find to repel his antaganostic/abusive comments, &amp; ways! Thanks ladies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kellie &amp; Erin!<br />
I&#8217;ve been meaning to tell you, I have listened once to this Hypnosis, and although not 100% sure, I have felt SO much better, SO much stronger, and insight and outlook is clearer! A few days ago, I had my 7yr old listen to it as well, for as long as he is here, she needs all the ammo she can find to repel his antaganostic/abusive comments, &amp; ways! Thanks ladies!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fixing It by Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  Sounds like a good time to listen to your hypnosis mp3!  :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Semantics by Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PrincessLuceval, I kind of like the word &quot;target&quot;. But unlike a real target, we have legs and can get the heck away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PrincessLuceval, I kind of like the word &#8220;target&#8221;. But unlike a real target, we have legs and can get the heck away!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fixing It by eaglewolfespirit/Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaglewolfespirit/Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kellie! I cannot begin to tell you just how much you sharing your situation and THOUGHTS is helping me to see the &quot;light&quot; on SO many things!There is good &amp; bad in all things, and what you do for me is just a small portion of the good that will come from this bad thing!Some of what you realized yesterday, I have realized in the past, ie: we each own our own troubles and the resolution of such. What stuck out for me in this post was: #1. The way you describe co-dependancy,gave me a greater understanding of the concept,and how it has applied to me in various situations. I never (before today) was quite able to grasp the definition of co-dependancy.And as a footnote, I have read TONS of material! #2. In describing your desire to want to help you child, I think it is a commendable and rightful place for a parent to be. For example, our children are left in our care for us to protect and guide into adulthood. As in your specific situation, your children being older, I can understand where it is more appropriate to support them making their own decisions and acting upon them, 100%. However, with a younger child, I can also see where the situation would be different and your actions would then be per se, warranted. There are many variables ( as to the &quot;why&#039;s&quot;) to take into consideration with this particular situation,and it is only understandable one would take those steps, and make that fumble.Something a dear friend has said to me over &amp; over, &quot;you&#039;re not raising kids, you&#039;re raising an adult.&quot; #3. I really like the way you addressed the &quot;guilt&quot; aspect of this scenario, the fact the it does happen.We most certainly SHOULD NOT feel guilty for leaving such a negative situation. You are certainly making progress by leaps and bounds, and I am one who is grateful for that blessing!
Keep on keeping on!!!!
In my situation, In a conversation I initiated (which later turned into an arguement attempt that I refused to engage in),I explained that I can no longer engage in this relationship intimately, until it is realized by BOTH of us that there is a problem, and help is sought. I can see where I have been involved in the dance of abuse, and as much as I hate to admit it, an enabler for him to continue the bad behaviors. I&#039;m pretty sure this situation will follow where most go, and I&#039;m fine with that. Angry and resentful at times, but I&#039;m working through that every day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kellie! I cannot begin to tell you just how much you sharing your situation and THOUGHTS is helping me to see the &#8220;light&#8221; on SO many things!There is good &amp; bad in all things, and what you do for me is just a small portion of the good that will come from this bad thing!Some of what you realized yesterday, I have realized in the past, ie: we each own our own troubles and the resolution of such. What stuck out for me in this post was: #1. The way you describe co-dependancy,gave me a greater understanding of the concept,and how it has applied to me in various situations. I never (before today) was quite able to grasp the definition of co-dependancy.And as a footnote, I have read TONS of material! #2. In describing your desire to want to help you child, I think it is a commendable and rightful place for a parent to be. For example, our children are left in our care for us to protect and guide into adulthood. As in your specific situation, your children being older, I can understand where it is more appropriate to support them making their own decisions and acting upon them, 100%. However, with a younger child, I can also see where the situation would be different and your actions would then be per se, warranted. There are many variables ( as to the &#8220;why&#8217;s&#8221;) to take into consideration with this particular situation,and it is only understandable one would take those steps, and make that fumble.Something a dear friend has said to me over &amp; over, &#8220;you&#8217;re not raising kids, you&#8217;re raising an adult.&#8221; #3. I really like the way you addressed the &#8220;guilt&#8221; aspect of this scenario, the fact the it does happen.We most certainly SHOULD NOT feel guilty for leaving such a negative situation. You are certainly making progress by leaps and bounds, and I am one who is grateful for that blessing!<br />
Keep on keeping on!!!!<br />
In my situation, In a conversation I initiated (which later turned into an arguement attempt that I refused to engage in),I explained that I can no longer engage in this relationship intimately, until it is realized by BOTH of us that there is a problem, and help is sought. I can see where I have been involved in the dance of abuse, and as much as I hate to admit it, an enabler for him to continue the bad behaviors. I&#8217;m pretty sure this situation will follow where most go, and I&#8217;m fine with that. Angry and resentful at times, but I&#8217;m working through that every day!</p>
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		<dc:creator>I believe you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last part should say &quot;I am SORRY your...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last part should say &#8220;I am SORRY your&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>I believe you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in a similar situation. This post really spoke to me - my husband&#039;s entire family has been conditioned, from several generations back, to attack and turn on each other, and to relieve stress by attacking the weak. His father, mother and sister have all done it to me, repeatedly. I know when (I hope soon) I leave him, they will attack me and discredit me. 

I think it is highly likely a sister of an emotional and verbal abuser would behave like this poster. I know nothing of her or you specifically, but after living with someone who sounds very similar to your husband, I would assume their families are also similar.

I am your difficult process of sorting this out and getting on with your life is being made more difficult by whoever this commenter is, and by members of his family. I hope that, when his family reacts like this, it helps to convince you that distance from this is a good thing, if you can get to that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in a similar situation. This post really spoke to me &#8211; my husband&#8217;s entire family has been conditioned, from several generations back, to attack and turn on each other, and to relieve stress by attacking the weak. His father, mother and sister have all done it to me, repeatedly. I know when (I hope soon) I leave him, they will attack me and discredit me. </p>
<p>I think it is highly likely a sister of an emotional and verbal abuser would behave like this poster. I know nothing of her or you specifically, but after living with someone who sounds very similar to your husband, I would assume their families are also similar.</p>
<p>I am your difficult process of sorting this out and getting on with your life is being made more difficult by whoever this commenter is, and by members of his family. I hope that, when his family reacts like this, it helps to convince you that distance from this is a good thing, if you can get to that point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the Way by quietone</title>
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		<dc:creator>quietone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would  not worry about Will&#039;s reasons.  This is just a different flavor of the same old game.  
I hope your book planning is going well.  I am impressed that you already have a publisher!  Good job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would  not worry about Will&#8217;s reasons.  This is just a different flavor of the same old game.<br />
I hope your book planning is going well.  I am impressed that you already have a publisher!  Good job!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Semantics by Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 05:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an excellent article on exactly what I was talking about when I said, &quot;Abuse&#039;s two victims will stay silent about the torment they inflict upon one another.&quot;
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/anger-in-the-age-entitlement/201002/victim-identity-im-not-okay-youre-more-not-okay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an excellent article on exactly what I was talking about when I said, &#8220;Abuse&#8217;s two victims will stay silent about the torment they inflict upon one another.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/anger-in-the-age-entitlement/201002/victim-identity-im-not-okay-youre-more-not-okay">http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/anger-in-the-age-entitlement/201002/victim-identity-im-not-okay-youre-more-not-okay</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Semantics by PrincessLuceval</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrincessLuceval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a great website which uses the phrase You Are A Target, Not A Victim. &quot;Target&quot; isn&#039;t always correct, but quite often feels so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a great website which uses the phrase You Are A Target, Not A Victim. &#8220;Target&#8221; isn&#8217;t always correct, but quite often feels so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Semantics by quietone</title>
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		<dc:creator>quietone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Abuse’s two victims will stay silent about the torment they inflict upon one another.&quot;

So right you are.  

The best I ever came up with was &quot;I have expierienced abuse&quot;.   

It&#039;s inadequate.  But there are not many people I will discuss the situation with.  Even other&#039;s who have experienced abuse seldom understand that the abuse is inflicted and recieved by both parties.

I also hate &quot;victim&quot; and &quot;survior&quot;  both leave a person sounding helpless and inactive.  But it is not that way.  

I dont blame myself but I recognize that I have been an active participant in my own abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Abuse’s two victims will stay silent about the torment they inflict upon one another.&#8221;</p>
<p>So right you are.  </p>
<p>The best I ever came up with was &#8220;I have expierienced abuse&#8221;.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s inadequate.  But there are not many people I will discuss the situation with.  Even other&#8217;s who have experienced abuse seldom understand that the abuse is inflicted and recieved by both parties.</p>
<p>I also hate &#8220;victim&#8221; and &#8220;survior&#8221;  both leave a person sounding helpless and inactive.  But it is not that way.  </p>
<p>I dont blame myself but I recognize that I have been an active participant in my own abuse.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Waiting for a Hero by eaglewolfespirit</title>
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		<dc:creator>eaglewolfespirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kellie, 
Months later, your words are here to validate reality to you, and all of us....
MTR, thanks for this info, I REALLY think I need to check this info out on the site...saving this page to my fav....xoxoxox To you Kellie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kellie,<br />
Months later, your words are here to validate reality to you, and all of us&#8230;.<br />
MTR, thanks for this info, I REALLY think I need to check this info out on the site&#8230;saving this page to my fav&#8230;.xoxoxox To you Kellie!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divorce, I hope, is the final act. It does seem violent. You sound angry today; I suppose that anger goes along with the rest of it. I don&#039;t always feel empowered, but I keep moving forward. Looking to the horizon. What&#039;s on your horizon? What do you want for yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divorce, I hope, is the final act. It does seem violent. You sound angry today; I suppose that anger goes along with the rest of it. I don&#8217;t always feel empowered, but I keep moving forward. Looking to the horizon. What&#8217;s on your horizon? What do you want for yourself?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tired and Weak by newdirection</title>
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		<dc:creator>newdirection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve learned that being forced to divorce your abusive husband is the final act of violence.  You were left, by his abuse and his behaviors, but you are now forced to make this choice and to do the emotional and logistical work that goes along with it.  Bare the guilt, shame, sadness, ambivlanece and all ther other fun emotions that come with being forced out of a marriage due to abuse. When I&#039;m not in a self-pitying mood, I try to act like divorcing my abusive stbx it is empowering, and then hope that I&#039;ll believe the show.  It sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve learned that being forced to divorce your abusive husband is the final act of violence.  You were left, by his abuse and his behaviors, but you are now forced to make this choice and to do the emotional and logistical work that goes along with it.  Bare the guilt, shame, sadness, ambivlanece and all ther other fun emotions that come with being forced out of a marriage due to abuse. When I&#8217;m not in a self-pitying mood, I try to act like divorcing my abusive stbx it is empowering, and then hope that I&#8217;ll believe the show.  It sucks.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Kunjii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, you&#039;re gonna have really awful days; and you might start to regret what you did, but you never know...this MIGHT also be the wake up call that you both needed to change your lives and re-commit to each other.   If you really love each other it could happen.  If not, go in peace.   Each of you deserves happiness.   Spending six months or a year apart may actually make you appreciate each other, or it may open your eyes to all the possibilties of happiness out there for you to explore.  Take it one day at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, you&#8217;re gonna have really awful days; and you might start to regret what you did, but you never know&#8230;this MIGHT also be the wake up call that you both needed to change your lives and re-commit to each other.   If you really love each other it could happen.  If not, go in peace.   Each of you deserves happiness.   Spending six months or a year apart may actually make you appreciate each other, or it may open your eyes to all the possibilties of happiness out there for you to explore.  Take it one day at a time.</p>
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